The tragedy of Europe was caused by its two major rivers, the Rhine
and the Danube. Since The Roman times it divided the Continent.
Charlemagne was the first to unite Europe across the Rhine.
Unfortunately it was not long lasting. The next one who could try to do
it was Napoleon. But he was to eager to fight wars. Unfortunately at the
time did not exist bungee jumping, that could potentially pacify him.
The 20 century brought three unification experiences, the WWII of Hitler, then the Soviet- Stalin (SS) experiment, and the last one, the EU. Fortunately this one was the only successful one.
Let us hope that this time the unification will thrive in spite of all those short sighted, petty minded but loud speakers.
To turn a page in the discussion i would start a new point of view. History is more than a story. It should teach us what causes disasters and collapse of sometime very advanced and front running culture, as it happened to the Roman empire. So what caused the collapse of Rome. To my opinion definitely not Augustus, who in spite of his many mistakes, including his German policy, but even more of letting his evil wife Livia ( by the way expert on poisoning ) to kill his own children, to pave the road to the top for her son Tiberius. After all Augustus created the government system that worked pretty well for another 300 years. To my opinion the major cause of Roman collapse was the policy of staying behind the ” secure borders”, created by Hadrian, that gave to the Roman citizens feeling of false security behind the walls that divided between the civilization and barbarism. This feeling of security destroyed the commitment of the military and the politicians to defend their civilized world. They became very easy going as to the needs of defending their civilization. Adding to it the Christianity 200 years later, and their military weakness became so deep, that a few days of frozen Rhine were enough to let the half starved barbarians to invade the empire.
This phenomena I call the weakness of the well fed against the strength of the hungry.
Isn’t it very relevant right now, when hundreds of hungry Africans, Syrians and Somalians have drowned and still other thousands are waiting in the desert of Libya and Egypt to board the same shabby boats, who are probably destined ti sink.
The truth is the political system Augustus created had a major default, the system of life long dictators elected by the previous dictators. Even if this system was better than the later feudal system, where the oldest living male automatically get the reign, while the Roman dictator could chose and adopt the next dictator. This system brought too many mistakes, when many chosen dictators like Tiberius, Caligula and Neron seemed at the time a perfect choice, but all of them, became crazy when taking the reign of power. The feeling secure behind the static border was only part of the problem. The other problem was a psychological change of abounding the unprecedented drive of the elite Romans for honor, towards reluctance and decadence. This brought reluctance about the military problem.
This change of abounding their unprecedented lust towards military and political honor happened because no Roman could even imagine that the Roman territory could be destroyed by some uncivilized, unorganized military force. It had to seem to them probably unimaginable that the Roman empire could be destroyed in a way that instead of Roman empire, some form of fractions of mini knight-ships will come, who will almost destroy the Roman civilization.
Rejecting the previous lust towards military and political honor was caused probably by adaptation of Christianity, but even more by living conditions of relative plenty, as contrary to the barbarians hunger.
The same phenomena can be observe in Europe of today. By the way later on , Christianity became very militant, and this created the new European civilization, while today, there is no faith in Christianity and also all the secular ideologies failed and disappeared, except of the empty consumerism.
The 20 century brought three unification experiences, the WWII of Hitler, then the Soviet- Stalin (SS) experiment, and the last one, the EU. Fortunately this one was the only successful one.
Let us hope that this time the unification will thrive in spite of all those short sighted, petty minded but loud speakers.
To turn a page in the discussion i would start a new point of view. History is more than a story. It should teach us what causes disasters and collapse of sometime very advanced and front running culture, as it happened to the Roman empire. So what caused the collapse of Rome. To my opinion definitely not Augustus, who in spite of his many mistakes, including his German policy, but even more of letting his evil wife Livia ( by the way expert on poisoning ) to kill his own children, to pave the road to the top for her son Tiberius. After all Augustus created the government system that worked pretty well for another 300 years. To my opinion the major cause of Roman collapse was the policy of staying behind the ” secure borders”, created by Hadrian, that gave to the Roman citizens feeling of false security behind the walls that divided between the civilization and barbarism. This feeling of security destroyed the commitment of the military and the politicians to defend their civilized world. They became very easy going as to the needs of defending their civilization. Adding to it the Christianity 200 years later, and their military weakness became so deep, that a few days of frozen Rhine were enough to let the half starved barbarians to invade the empire.
This phenomena I call the weakness of the well fed against the strength of the hungry.
Isn’t it very relevant right now, when hundreds of hungry Africans, Syrians and Somalians have drowned and still other thousands are waiting in the desert of Libya and Egypt to board the same shabby boats, who are probably destined ti sink.
The truth is the political system Augustus created had a major default, the system of life long dictators elected by the previous dictators. Even if this system was better than the later feudal system, where the oldest living male automatically get the reign, while the Roman dictator could chose and adopt the next dictator. This system brought too many mistakes, when many chosen dictators like Tiberius, Caligula and Neron seemed at the time a perfect choice, but all of them, became crazy when taking the reign of power. The feeling secure behind the static border was only part of the problem. The other problem was a psychological change of abounding the unprecedented drive of the elite Romans for honor, towards reluctance and decadence. This brought reluctance about the military problem.
This change of abounding their unprecedented lust towards military and political honor happened because no Roman could even imagine that the Roman territory could be destroyed by some uncivilized, unorganized military force. It had to seem to them probably unimaginable that the Roman empire could be destroyed in a way that instead of Roman empire, some form of fractions of mini knight-ships will come, who will almost destroy the Roman civilization.
Rejecting the previous lust towards military and political honor was caused probably by adaptation of Christianity, but even more by living conditions of relative plenty, as contrary to the barbarians hunger.
The same phenomena can be observe in Europe of today. By the way later on , Christianity became very militant, and this created the new European civilization, while today, there is no faith in Christianity and also all the secular ideologies failed and disappeared, except of the empty consumerism.
Why Archimedes couldn’t be the ancient Galileo? Archimedes did not have problem to fight church to distribute his knowledge. He knew mathematics at least as good as Galileo. And he has done many technological inventions. Was it because of lack of printing machine that Galileo used so successfully? Even if murdered by Romans, they were interested in his knowledge, and most probably he had followers who were aware of his findings and his books where in their disposition. If Eutocius of Ascalon wrote about his work more than 700 years latter, his work had to been far from forgotten. And it is well known, he was not the only great mathematician and inventor of the classical world, far from it.
Lucretius poem of “On the Nature of Things”, amazing as it can be, may be only fraction of what the Greeks discovered by system of meditation and deductive reasoning. And yet they had not done it into the modernity.
The claim that in society of slaves there is no need for technological inventions seems to me folly. If not for economic reasons, the Roman war machine and probably also the Greek one needed military technology as much as we do. In contrary, Roman society, was free enough to support technological initiative, definitely more than the renaissance society in western Europe.
If there is any answer to the question why the Greeks and Romans did not do it to the modernity, even if they had almost 1000 years from the first philosophers until the Christianity closed on their knowledge, it seems to me modern scientific technological development was a pure accident. Several factors came together in the right time, somewhere in the mid thirteen century, which started with the black death plague decimation of European population, that brought huge social and economic upheavals. Then the Mongol invasion weekend the Muslim world and reduced the military pressure from the Christian Europe, at the same time the classic philosophers following the christian conquest of Spain was rediscovered. Exactly in these years Fibonacci introduced mathematical revolution partly imported from the Arabs and partly developed by him. Some importance played probably the fact that Italy was a country of competing city states rather than one autocratic statehood, as was the Roman empire. Add to it the new Gothic architecture just recently introduced, invention of perspective and some more major events that i haven’t mention and you have completely new tools to judge the reality of the being. The result is new European perspective of understanding the earthly reality and the way to the new knowledge was opened for the scholars and intellectuals, Yet these new discoveries could go easily down of the drainage of the history, if not the patronage of Medici and some other Italian rulers, who competed with each other on prestige, but non of them had the absolute power to overcome the others. Probably without this, these very first discoveries wouldn’t continue to thrive.
Many start the modern way of thinking with Copernicus. I don’t agree with them. The idea of heliocentric world was probably quite widespread in the classical world. Even if Copernicus ideas helped to shake the dogmas of the church, it couldn’t make a scientific revolution by itself. To my opinion after Galileo and Kepler, who both connected mathematics to empiric data, the road to the modern scientific method was paved. So the question remains, how come, the Greeks did not succeed to produce within a whole millennia, what the Europeans had in few hundred years? And lets not forget that the renaissance scholars needed to overcome the burden of religious dogmatic thinking tradition, the classical Greeks did not had to cope with?
As to the findings of Kepler, they happened because of several fortunate sequential events. Brahe Tycho had to die, so Kepler could inherit his observations. If not he would remain probably with his esoteric theory of perfect spheres of planet movements. Also he needed a crazy king like Rudolph II, who was rather strange for a catholic emperor of holly Roman Empire. Then you had the accidental discovery of telescope, Galileo copied and redeveloped. There had to be such an arrogant self possessed man like Galileo, who so strongly believed, that the circumstantial evidence is verified proof for heliocentric planetary system, that he opposed all the Catholic establishment. Someone less self possessed wouldn’t do it all the way.
Modern science is based on connection and verification of philosophical (mainly ontological) understandings derived from rational reasoning with the empirical evidence, translated to practical technological achievements. The Greeks did not make this two necessary step far enough, and this is the source of their failure. Why they have not done it, this still has to be answered.